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Aiheen aloittaja OH5YW Pvm 18.08.08 - 08:22:18

Aihe: CLE108
Kirjoittaja OH5YW Pvm 18.08.08 - 08:22:18

Ennakkoinfoa:

Hi all

Here comes a treat! If you've not yet tried decoding the DGPS beacons,
now is your chance to discover a fascinating new part of our great hobby.

This will be our fourth DGPS event (the last one was CLE88 in Feb. 2007).
Alan has been working hard updating his World DGPS Database and his
advice about DGPS - you will find them from the CLE page via
http://www.beaconworld.org.uk/info.htm

Days: Friday 29th Aug. - Monday 1st Sept.
Times: Midday to Midday, your local time
Range: 283.5 - 325.0 kHz (inclusive)

Alan's comprehensive advice includes details of the programs which you can
use to decode the DGPS signals. We especially recommend DSCdecoder,
probably the best, it is easy to install and use and it can be downloaded
and used without charge for a period of 21 days.
Once you have decoded your first DGPS signal I think you will be hooked!

The Early Advice is extra early this time to give listeners who are not
familiar with decoding plenty of time to get ready.

Log any DGPS beacons that you can identify in the range (plus any DGPS
UNIDs that you may come across). If you decode an odd DGPS station
out of the range, do include it too.

Please look out for the 'Final Details' email, which will follow a few days
before the CLE.

Good decoding
Brian
----------------------------------------------------------
From: Brian Keyte G3SIA cle(at)beaconworld.org.uk
Location: Surrey, SE England (CLE co-ordinator)

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja OH5YW Pvm 18.08.08 - 11:00:53

ja tässä "asemaluettelo"

http://peditio.net/utility/fpdf/dgps.pdf

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja RKA Pvm 26.08.08 - 09:29:47

Tarkoitus olisi kuunnella kahdella eri paikkakunnalla CLE108 asemia.

Laukaaseen jätän Drake R8:n päivystämään, scanaamaan asemia, toivottavasti ei tule sähkökatkoja, antennina noin 12 metrin korkeudella oleva MiniWhip.

Perjantaina ajellaan Pohjois-Pohjanmaalle Rantsilaan, illalla MiniWhip samoin 12 metrin korkeuteen. Lauantain aikana olisi tarkoitus viedä FinWhip- antenni korkean pihakuusen latvaa, korkeus noin 20 metriä. Tämä antenni jäänee "kiinteäksi" asennukseksi jos antenni tuntuu pelittävän verrattuna 12 metrin korkeudella olevaan MW:n. Vastaanottimena Rantsilassa toimii viikonloppuna Eton E1.

-RKA

Aihe: Re: CLE108 - Final details
Kirjoittaja OH5YW Pvm 27.08.08 - 13:59:38

Hi all

We're two days away from the start of our special listening event - your
chance to decode those DGPS noises, and take part in a fascinating angle on
our hobby. You can download a decoder, such as the excellent 'DSCdecoder',
and try it without charge for the period of the CLE.

You will find all the necessary advice about decoding and the beacons to be
'heard' by visiting the CLE page via http://www.beaconworld.org.uk/info.htm

Please read through the following advice carefully, including messages at
the end from Martin and Robert:

Days: Friday 29th Aug. - Monday 1st Sept.
Times: Midday to Midday, your local time
Range: 283.5 - 325.0 kHz (inclusive)

Tell us in your log about the DGPS beacons that you have decoded in the
range (plus any DGPS UNIDs that you may come across). If you decode
an odd DGPS beacon out of the range, please include it too.

There are some small differences from usual in making your log.

Please show on each log line:
The day (short or long format), UTC and frequency,
The DGPS site's TX ident with prefix '#'.
These four fields come FIRST on the line, in any order within themselves.
PLEASE also show the Ref ID - i.e.the ACTUAL IDENT
that you decoded, also with a '#', and the Location;
then any optional fields such as BPS and distance.

A typical piece of a log might look like this:

dd UTC kHz TX ID Ref ID Location Cou km
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
29 19:05 284 #430 #660 Mizen Head IRL 655
29 22:30 285 #350 #500 Cabo Machichaco ESP 889
29 22:26 285.5 #443 #693 Stirling (Earls Hill) SCT 586
29 22:37 286 #363 #526 Castellon ESP 1258

The ident (Ref ID) from the decoder is important because it is what you
actually received (we would ALWAYS show the Morse Ident received from
a normal NDB, of course, not just the location that we deduced from it). The
Ref IDs (called 'Station ID' by DSCdecoder) define the reference stations
used for receiving GPS signals.

The TX Ident is important because, in conjunction with the frequency, it is
used as the key to each DGPS site in the various databases.
You can find the TX ID, knowing the decoded Ref ID and frequency, by looking
in one of the databases. Martin also provides a look-up tool in Rxx.
(For a few countries the transmitted Ref ID is the same as the TX ID,
though that is not the strictly correct practise).

Please make sure that you have the DGPS Station frequency correct for
every logging - it can be easy to get mixed up when the receiver's frequency
reading is some way away from it.
In Europe the channel spacing is 500 Hz but in North America it is 1 kHz
(that's why the band goes another 10 kHz up to 325 kHz). So for signs
of T/A activity, US members should also check the .5 channels below 315 kHz
and Europe members should also check the .0 channels above 315 kHz.

Do be careful to avoid 'rogue' decodes - it is so easy to be misled into
thinking that a decode MUST be that special station you were hoping for!
Alan's Guides explain how to interpret the decoded information so that you
won't be fooled. If you do get any doubtful loggings, it would be a good
idea to show them separately after your main list, together with the
decoder's output.

Sometimes a DGPS site may change to send its alternative Ref ID -
if you find an example of this you could show two log lines - or add a note
on the right hand side of a single line. The Rxx database of reported
reception and the DGPS World Database both show all these idents.

Please don't forget to give your location and brief details of the equipment
that you were using, including the decoder.

Send your log to the list as a Plain Text email using 'CLE108' in its title.
Make sure that it has arrived on the list by 08:00 UTC on Wednesday
3rd September at the very latest. I hope to finish making the combined
results on the same day, unless there are a lot of problems.
I will send the usual 'Any More Logs?' email about 1700 UTC on Tuesday
so you can check that your log has been found OK.

Alan or I can help during the weekend if anyone has problems with decoding
or queries on the DGPS beacons or showing results in your log.

Enjoy the CLE.
Good decoding!
Brian
----------------------------------------------------------
From: Brian Keyte G3SIA cle(at)beaconworld.org.uk
Location: Surrey, SE England (CLE co-ordinator)
----------------------------------------------------------

NB If you use the short 'dd' date, please separate any loggings made on day
'01' (1st September) so that they appear AFTER the other August ones.
This will be a big help to our dedicated colleagues who enter the Rxx data
(if the month jumps about between Aug and Sept they have to define the month
separately for each line).

Request from Robert:
"Would European members or North American members who have received
signals from Europe and are willing to allow their logs to be used in my
next Marine Beacon column for Monitoring Monthly, please indicate so when
submitting their final logs".
He may also subsequently in his column give a quick run down of the CLE and
a plug for the list.

Aihe: Re: CLE108 - Final details
Kirjoittaja RKA Pvm 27.08.08 - 14:17:07

OH5YW wrote:

Hi all

Please show on each log line:
The day (short or long format), UTC and frequency,
The DGPS site's TX ident with prefix '#'.
These four fields come FIRST on the line, in any order within themselves.
PLEASE also show the Ref ID - i.e.the ACTUAL IDENT
that you decoded, also with a '#', and the Location;
then any optional fields such as BPS and distance.

A typical piece of a log might look like this:

dd UTC kHz TX ID Ref ID Location Cou km
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
29 19:05 284 #430 #660 Mizen Head IRL 655
29 22:30 285 #350 #500 Cabo Machichaco ESP 889
29 22:26 285.5 #443 #693 Stirling (Earls Hill) SCT 586
29 22:37 286 #363 #526 Castellon ESP 1258

The ident (Ref ID) from the decoder is important because it is what you
actually received (we would ALWAYS show the Morse Ident received from
a normal NDB, of course, not just the location that we deduced from it). The
Ref IDs (called 'Station ID' by DSCdecoder) define the reference stations
used for receiving GPS signals.

The TX Ident is important because, in conjunction with the frequency, it is
used as the key to each DGPS site in the various databases.
You can find the TX ID, knowing the decoded Ref ID and frequency, by looking
in one of the databases. Martin also provides a look-up tool in Rxx.
(For a few countries the transmitted Ref ID is the same as the TX ID,
though that is not the strictly correct practise).

Mites me väännetään lokit "vaadittuun" muotoon, WWSU antaa alla olevan formatin lokiin :-/?

Tarkoitan tuota #XXX #XXX- muotoa lokin asematiedoissa!

2008-08-20 01:59 287.5 #454 1682 Thorshavn, FRO
2008-08-19 21:22 287.5 #401 252 Mäntyluoto, FIN
2008-08-20 00:59 288.5 #470 756 Otterbäcken, SWE
2008-08-19 23:58 289 #462 340 Jarnas, SWE
2008-08-19 23:59 290.5 #408 207 Kokkola, FIN
2008-08-20 02:32 291 #439 1972 Wormleighton, ENG
2008-08-19 22:39 291.5 #445 1477 Sumburgh Head, SHE
2008-08-19 20:39 292 #460 883 Holmsjö, SWE
2008-08-19 21:56 293 #466 1019 Kullen High Lt, SWE
2008-08-19 20:39 293.5 #400 284 Porkkala Pilot Station

-RKA

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja OH5YW Pvm 27.08.08 - 14:25:05

Tuossa muodossaan ne on ainakin ennen kelvanneet ja saa luvan kelvata nytkin

kari

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja OH5YW Pvm 28.08.08 - 10:18:34

Sellinen konsti on esitetty tuolla ndb-listalla, että editoidaan kaikki DGPS-asemat WWSU:ssa siten, että Cycle-kenttään laitetaan aseman Ref-ID.

http://peditio.net/utility/fkuvat4/cycle.jpg

Sitten tulostuksessa rastitetaan Cycle mukaan ja näin saadaan sekin lokiin oikeaan paikkaan...

http://peditio.net/utility/fkuvat4/cycle2.jpg

ja sehän toimii:

Report Sorted by Date
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
DD UTC kHz Call Cyc mi New Location
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
28 07:17 296.5 #469 #736 3854 Y Gothenburg, SWE
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja RKA Pvm 29.08.08 - 07:20:23

OH5YW wrote:

Tuossa muodossaan ne on ainakin ennen kelvanneet ja saa luvan kelvata nytkin

kari

Varusteet on osittain pakattu Rantsilan reissua varten ja akut ladattu (antennien), mihinkään ohjelmapäivitysten (WWSU) kokeiluihin ei minulla ole aikaa, joten lokit tulevat olemaan "vanhassa" WWSU:n formaatisssa ainakin minun osalta CLE108:n lokeissani!

-RKA

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja OH5YW Pvm 29.08.08 - 07:28:46

RKA wrote:

mihinkään ohjelmapäivitysten (WWSU) kokeiluihin ei minulla ole aikaa, joten lokit tulevat olemaan "vanhassa" WWSU:n formaatisssa ainakin minun osalta CLE108:n lokeissani!

-RKA

Ei se ohjelmapäivitys tuohon ongelmaan autakaan... :)

kari

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja RKA Pvm 31.08.08 - 23:28:14

jfalt wrote:

Lokia viime yöltä.

2008-08-29 20:57 304.5 #403 #603 296 Outokumpu, FIN

Outokumpua en ole saanut kuuluviin kolmena viime yönä, kuten ei myöskään viime viikkojen aikana. Etäisyyttä Laukaasat 159 km! Tarkistin omasta lokistani ko. ajankohdasta myös, ei rivejä #603 tiedoilla! Onko #043 303.5 kHz tosiaan Kuzov RUS vai UNID kuten REU antaa ilmi?

Muuten CLE108 kuuuntelu sujuu hyvin Rantsilan alkuhankaluuksien jälkeen, piti laittaa Decoder:n Afc- täppä päälle, niin Eton:n kautta alkoi tallettumaan viestirivejä koneelle!

Tässä Rantsilassa "manuaalisesti kuullut ...

CLE/Session Report for Raimo Karjalainen, OH6JKN
Listening Location: Rantsila, KP24tl (64°28'54"N 025°38'56"E)
Receiver(s): Eton E1
Antenna(s): pa0rdt-Mini-Whip (at) 13 metres
Software: WWSU6.3.6, DSC Decoder
Report Sorted by Frequency
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
YYYY-MM-DD UTC kHz Call km New Location
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
2008-08-29 22:36 284 #516 692 Y Torsvag Lt, NOR
2008-08-29 21:20 286 #407 305 Savonlinna / Haponlahti, FIN
2008-08-29 21:38 286.5 #513 702 Y Skomvaer Lt. / Roest Isl., NOR
2008-08-29 22:43 286.5 #001 1139 Y Baltiysk, KAL
2008-08-29 21:31 287 #406 452 Klamila, FIN
2008-08-29 21:33 287.5 #401 383 Y Mäntyluoto, FIN
2008-08-29 22:53 288.5 #470 870 Y Otterbäcken, SWE
2008-08-29 21:43 289 #462 312 Jarnas, SWE
2008-08-29 22:59 290.5 #408 140 Kokkola, FIN
2008-08-29 23:01 292 #460 1047 Holmsjö, SWE
2008-08-29 21:50 295.5 #531 571 Narva, EST
2008-08-29 21:54 297.5 #465 933 Hoburg, SWE
2008-08-29 21:56 298 #468 737 Nynäshavn, SWE
2008-08-29 23:09 298.5 #002 531 Y Shepelevskiy 1, RUS
2008-08-29 21:59 299.5 #463 601 Skutskar, SWE
2008-08-29 23:16 301 #510 781 Halten Lt., NOR
2008-08-29 22:02 301.5 #404 484 Y Turku, FIN
2008-08-29 23:20 302.5 #508 1037 Y Svinoey Lt., NOR
2008-08-29 22:04 303.5 #043 ? Y , XUU
2008-08-29 22:06 305.5 #520 698 Y Vardo Lt, NOR
2008-08-29 22:09 307 #530 644 Ristna Lt., EST
2008-08-29 22:11 307.5 #464 629 Kapellskar Lt., SWE
2008-08-29 23:28 308 #491 1330 Y Gross Mohrdorf, DEU
2008-08-29 23:30 309.5 #518 740 Y Fruholmen Lt., NOR
2008-08-29 22:13 311 #005 531 Y Shepelevskiy 2, RUS
2008-08-29 22:14 311.5 #461 197 Bjuröklubb, SWE
2008-08-29 22:20 313.5 #496 1600 Y Mauken, DEU
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Output Generated by WWSU 6.3.6 (Alex Wiecek VE3GOP, 2007)
Total number of beacons during this CLE/Session - 27

Nyt tällä Laukassa näpyttelen lokia parin viimeyön Laukaassa kuuluneista asemista, kasassa alkaa olla liki 50 asemaa ja koneet jäävät vielä ensi yön ajaksi päälle pörräämään, lopullinen loki sitten huomenna valmiiksi!

-RKA

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja OH5YW Pvm 01.09.08 - 06:52:40

RKA wrote:

[quote author=jfalt link=1219036938/0#9 date=1220099225]Lokia viime yöltä.

2008-08-29 20:57 304.5 #403 #603 296 Outokumpu, FIN

Outokumpua en ole saanut kuuluviin kolmena viime yönä, kuten ei myöskään viime viikkojen aikana. Etäisyyttä Laukaasat 159 km! Tarkistin omasta lokistani ko. ajankohdasta myös, ei rivejä #603 tiedoilla!
-RKA[/quote]

Ainakin täällä kuului OK eilen illalla:

Station ID 813;[#503 Lista NOR 304.0kHz];msg typ 01;tim 15.00;seq 3;len 19;health 0;[100bps];08-08-31 20:12:48
Station ID 603;[#403 Outokumpu FIN 304.5kHz];msg typ 09;tim 15.05;seq 4;len 5;health 0;[100bps];08-08-31 20:12:58
Station ID 603;[#403 Outokumpu FIN 304.5kHz];msg typ 03;tim 15.25;seq 3;len 4;health 0;[100bps];08-08-31 20:13:12
Station ID 603;[#403 Outokumpu FIN 304.5kHz];msg typ 03;tim 15.25;seq 3;len 4;health 0;[100bps];08-08-31 20:13:12
Station ID 603;[#403 Outokumpu FIN 304.5kHz];msg typ 09;tim 15.32;seq 4;len 4;health 0;[100bps];08-08-31 20:13:14
Station ID 603;[#403 Outokumpu FIN 304.5kHz];msg typ 09;tim 15.35;seq 5;len 5;health 0;[100bps];08-08-31 20:13:16

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja OH5YW Pvm 01.09.08 - 07:06:39

Kuuluihan niitä DGPS-asemia ihan kohtuullisesti, 62 kpl, ei yhtään uutta. Loki tuolla lokiosastolla

Kari

Aihe: Re: CLE108, Outokumpu
Kirjoittaja RKA Pvm 01.09.08 - 08:03:40

Heh, outo juttu, eipä löydy minun scannatusta lokeista, tarkistin molemmat ajankohdat vielä kertaalleen!

-RKA

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja jfalt Pvm 01.09.08 - 17:19:24

Ei niitä Outokummun rivejä ole täälläkään montaa yössä lokiin kertynyt. Huonosti tuntuu kuuluvan. Eikä kuulunut Kuwaittikaan, vaikka pidensin skriptissä ko. taajuuden kuunteluaikaa :(

CLE/Session Report for Jarno Fält
Listening Location: Tampere, Finland, KP11wm (61°30'07"N 023°54'55"E)
Receiver(s): Icom IC-R75, 250Hz cw filter, 6/30Hz audio filter
Antenna(s): pa0rdt-Mini-Whip (at)10 meters, Aldo's LW-MW Loop
Software: Spectrum Lab, DSCdecoder
Report Sorted by Frequency
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
YYYY-MM-DD UTC kHz Call RefID km New Location
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
2008-08-29 23:54 284 #516 #796 992 Torsvag Lt, NOR
2008-08-30 00:59 285.5 #443 #693 1706 Stirling (Earls Hill), SCT
2008-08-29 19:04 286 #407 #607 258 Savonlinna, FIN
2008-08-29 21:06 286.5 #513 #823 872 Skomvaer Lt, NOR
2008-08-29 21:48 286.5 #001 799 Baltiysk, KAL
2008-08-29 13:59 287 #406 #606 220 Klamila, FIN
2008-08-29 22:31 287.5 #454 #715 1604 Torshavn, FRO
2008-08-29 16:30 287.5 #401 #601 130 Mäntyluoto, FIN
2008-08-29 22:53 288 #095 1973 Yenikalsky, UKR
2008-08-29 19:42 288.5 #470 #738 616 Otterbäcken, SWE
2008-08-29 14:00 289 #462 #724 310 Jarnas, SWE
2008-08-29 21:29 289.5 #451 #700 870 Hammerodde Lt, DNK
2008-08-29 14:01 290 #402 #602 228 Puumala, FIN
2008-08-31 01:50 290.5 #447 #687 1628 Flamborough Head Lt, ENG
2008-08-29 15:49 290.5 #408 #608 262 Kokkola, FIN
2008-08-29 23:16 291 #439 #691 1835 Wormleighton, ENG
2008-08-29 20:28 291.5 #445 #685 1374 Sumburgh, SHE
2008-08-29 19:46 292 #460 #720 735 Holmsjö, SWE
2008-08-29 22:14 293 #466 #732 874 Kullen High Lt, SWE
2008-08-29 14:01 293.5 #400 #600 172 Porkkala, FIN
2008-08-29 22:57 294 #428 1442 Vlieland Lt, HOL
2008-08-29 14:04 295.5 #531 319 Narva, EST
2008-08-30 02:10 295.5 #444 #684 1694 Butt of Lewis Lt, SCT
2008-08-29 22:37 296 #453 #711 855 Skagen West Lt, DNK
2008-08-29 19:26 296.5 #469 #736 798 Göteborg, SWE
2008-08-30 00:46 297 #446 #686 1539 Girdle Ness Lt, SCT
2008-08-29 22:16 297 #086 1737 Odesskiy, UKR
2008-08-29 14:05 297.5 #465 #730 605 Hoburg, SWE
2008-08-29 14:05 298 #468 #734 435 Nynäshamn, SWE
2008-08-30 02:12 298.5 #492 #762 1243 Helgoland, DEU
2008-08-29 14:05 298.5 #002 330 Shepelevskiy 1, RUS
2008-08-29 14:06 299.5 #463 #726 362 Skutskär, SWE
2008-08-29 20:12 301 #510 #820 792 Halten Lt, NOR
2008-08-29 22:41 301 #482 #743 807 Rozewie, POL
2008-08-29 13:24 301.5 #404 #604 150 Turku, FIN
2008-08-30 01:10 302 #467 #733 700 Hjortens Udde, SWE
2008-08-31 05:56 302.5 #508 #788 977 Svinoy Lt, NOR
2008-08-30 01:54 303.5 #493 #763 1262 Zeven, DEU
2008-08-29 18:07 303.5 #043 803 Kuzov, RUS
2008-08-29 22:00 304 #503 #813 1037 Lista Lt, NOR
2008-08-29 20:14 304.5 #535 662 Klaipeda Rear Lt, LTU
2008-08-29 20:57 304.5 #403 #603 296 Outokumpu, FIN
2008-08-31 23:23 305.5 #520 #830 1040 Vardo Lt, NOR
2008-08-29 14:11 307 #530 303 Ristna Lt, EST
2008-08-29 14:11 307.5 #464 #728 330 Kapellskär Lt, SWE
2008-08-29 19:56 308 #491 #761 1021 Gross Mohrdorf, DEU
2008-08-29 19:36 310.5 #500 #780 786 Faerder Lt, NOR
2008-08-29 14:13 311.0 #005 331 Shepelevskiy 2, RUS
2008-08-29 23:30 311 #515 #824 940 Andenes, NOR
2008-08-29 14:13 311.5 #461 #722 352 Bjuroklubb, SWE
2008-08-29 21:23 313 #505 #785 1070 Utsira Lt, NOR
2008-08-29 23:10 313.5 #496 #766 1279 Mauken, DEU
2008-08-29 14:15 314.5 #405 #605 394 Marjaniemi, FIN
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Output Generated by WWSU 6.3.7 (Alex Wiecek VE3GOP, 2007)
Total number of beacons during this CLE/Session - 53
Total number of new beacons during this CLE/Session - 0

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja RKA Pvm 03.09.08 - 15:37:12

Hyvin pärjättiin!

Count Cou Country
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
7 DEU Germany
6 FRA France
6 SWE Sweden
5 ENG England
5 ESP Spain
5 FIN Finland
4 NOR Norway
2 CAN, NL Newfoundland & Labrador
1 CAN, NB New Brunswick
3 DNK Denmark
3 HOL Netherlands
3 IRL Ireland
3 SCT Scotland
2 POR Portugal
2 WLS Wales
1 AZR Azores
1 BEL Belgium
1 EST Estonia
1 FRO Faroe Is.
1 ISL Iceland
1 KAL Kaliningrad
1 KWT Kuwait
1 LTU Lithuania
1 MDR Madeira
1 PTR Puerto Rico
1 RUS Russia (Eu)
1 SHE Shetland Is.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
69 stations (27 radio countries)
78% of previous total

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja OH5YW Pvm 04.09.08 - 08:08:46

Viralliset tulokset

http://peditio.net/utility/ftaulukot/CLE108dgps5.xls

[edit] linkkiä korjattu [/edit]

Aihe: Re: CLE108
Kirjoittaja RKA Pvm 04.09.08 - 08:27:21

OH5YW wrote:

Viralliset tulokset

http://peditio.net/utility/fpdf/CLE108dgps5.xls

"The page cannot be found"

-RKA